Leah ([info]professor_spork) wrote,
2010-03-09 02:58:00
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Baby's First Picspam

I should be doing homework right now. Instead, I'm obsessively changing my Journal Style until I find something I like and back-reading [info]mrv3000's Doctor/Rose filter, because that's Highly Productive and Good For My Health.

Anywho, I have a) noticed something I never noticed before, and b) have a little rant I need to rant (oh, don't we all) about Journey's End.

First, a defense: I love Cloen/10.5/Doctor Too/the-one-with-the-inferior-suit. I am ever so glad he exists, and I am 100% convinced that he and Rose are living a fantastic life together (see Falling for details).

However. I would be lying if I said I was super-ecstatic about the whole thing upon first watch. And it wasn't that I had a problem with the two Doctors (I didn't) or that I felt bad for original recipe Ten (I did, but HEY HE HAD DONNA DIDN'T HE oh wait) or even that I hated the fact that they'd never travel in the TARDIS again (because: zeppelins.)

It's just that, snogging aside... they didn't seem happy.

Accepting the Doctor as the Doctor, you see, comes in easy-to-chart steps.

1) the chest-fondle



2) the hand-hold



and then we SHOULD get 3) nerdy, gooey-eyed acceptance



but instead we got SRS BZNS



Needless to say, it rather seriously impeded on my flail.

I'm fine with cutting out the bequeathing of the TARDIS-coral. But honestly, guys. You couldn't have let the camera linger about two seconds longer so we got the hint of a smile?


Therefore and in conclusion, Billie and David need to have a Children in Need special where they eat chips and then stumble into saving the world completely by accident, and she can do that thing where she bites her tongue when she smiles and he can wear the smarty specs. I don't need a Christmas Special, I don't need a crossover episode with Eleven (but I wouldn't say no to one!), I just... seven minutes of cute. That's all I want.

... (sans tiembabies, please).
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[info]mrv3000

March 9 2010, 14:47:29 UTC 2 years ago

OOOOOOOOH! I like the parallel in the chest fondle! (I can't remember if I've seen that comparison before - I kind of don't think I have.)

And you've heard that DT and BP might be doing a movie together, yes? Maybe we'll see some behind-the-scenes dorkiness from them. :D

[info]professor_spork

March 9 2010, 20:44:11 UTC 2 years ago

I haven't either-- I forgot it happened until I saw the CiN screengrabs, and I went "BWUHH?"

And believe me, I will be all over any DT & BP action like Void Stuff on a Cyberman. I just want a tiny slice more of canon, on top.

[info]principia_coh

March 16 2010, 02:13:20 UTC 2 years ago

Honestly, if the old Who crew got away with doing The Stranger during the hiatus in the mid-80s (which for the first few "movies" was clearly Who in all but name), I don't know why RTD & co. couldn't get away with something like a CiN special, even if it's just a video made for Gallifrey One or something.

[info]papilio_luna

March 9 2010, 15:17:08 UTC 2 years ago

See, I just immediately started writing fic in my head where at first it was hard and they were very sad, but then their love for one another got them through it and they learned to be happy again ♥ So my flailing was fully intact (I think I'm one of the few shippers who, when they kissed, was just unqualifiedly flipping out and going "OMG YES!" and punching the air).

I definitely would not say no to a 5-minute slice of altverse life, though. just please don't joss my fic!

[info]professor_spork

March 9 2010, 20:45:49 UTC 2 years ago

Oh, I had no problem with the kissing. MOAR KISSING, I say! It's just the Impenetrable Shield of Melancholy that descends over them AFTER the kiss that upsets me.

[info]papilio_luna

March 9 2010, 21:49:46 UTC 2 years ago

I'm an angstoholic, so I eat Impenetrable Shields of Melancholy for breakfast, and wash them down with the sweet nectar Ten's manly tears. I'm weird that way.

[info]_thirty2flavors

March 9 2010, 15:31:03 UTC 2 years ago Edited:  March 9 2010, 15:33:04 UTC

I dunno, I think it would've been a bit weird if they'd just gone :D :D :D at each other straight away, and I ship Cloen/Rose like burning. I do think they'd have a period of awkward adjustment, though -- I can't really buy them jumping into marital bliss straight away (and frankly I think it makes it less interesting).

I mean, overall I think they'd be happy, definitely, but probably not for the first couple weeks. I imagine Rose would be busy going "??!??!?!!!?" and worrying about Ten, and Cloen would be all "D: WHAT IF SHE DOESN"T LIKE MEEEE also I am human that is weird".

Having said all that, I was also one of the few shippers who clapped with delight the very first time I watched JE.

OH, also, there's this original draft of the scene out there -- in RTD's book I assume -- where they ARE basically both like :D :D :D :D at each other the whole time, and the whole thing is awkward as hell, which may have put me off the idea a little.

[info]professor_spork

March 9 2010, 20:42:23 UTC 2 years ago

Honestly, I feel like once they made out in front of Ten, any chance of it NOT being awkward was thrown out the window.

I think my problem with it isn't the lack of :D so much as, like... Rose lets them each say (or not say) their bit, and then she kisses Cloen because it did need saying, and so on. And then Ten scampers away with a quickness, and she tries to chase after the TARDIS, and Cloen takes her hand.

And, like. The Doctor just lost the TARDIS. And season 2 Rose would've seen that immediately, and taken *his* hand. Comfort first, fallout later. But hardened Turn Left Rose couldn't do that. And I guess that makes me sad.

[info]_thirty2flavors

March 9 2010, 21:12:51 UTC 2 years ago

This sort of veers into the realm of personal canon/fanon I guess, but I've always sort of thought of it like... I don't think Rose would ever reject Cloen for "not being the Doctor", and she calls him "Doctor" in this scene and kisses him etc so obviously it's not like she's standing there going "OMG STUPID CLONE", but at the same time I think a lot of that initial adjustment period would be her really, fully accepting him as the same. And so I think in that moment her thoughts are focused on Ten she's not even registering the fact that Cloen's still there, and it's such a bizarre, confusing situation that I can't really blame her for it.

But then I also think that if anyone had just flat-out asked Rose who she wanted, in that moment she'd've picked Ten without much of a second thought -- in part because he's the one she knows, in part because of her Doctor-related tunnel vision, and in part because pretty much everyone sort of seems to think of Cloen as an afterthought in JE. I think Rose finally acutally, really accepting his existence and the fact that he's ....y'know... a real person wtih actual feelinsg and stuff would be a big turning point in their settling-in period, so I guess in my mind it makes sense that it's not an instant thing.

Plus Ten is a dick, so I am not surprised that his dickishness distracted her.

[info]professor_spork

March 9 2010, 21:21:42 UTC 2 years ago

But then I also think that if anyone had just flat-out asked Rose who she wanted, in that moment she'd've picked Ten without much of a second thought -- in part because he's the one she knows, in part because of her Doctor-related tunnel vision, and in part because pretty much everyone sort of seems to think of Cloen as an afterthought in JE.

I think you're absolutely right, which is why I wish the canon had done something different. One of the Saddest Things to me is that Rose and Ten never had a proper kiss, and in that moment, I was looking to Rose-- or RTD-via-Rose-- for confirmation that everything would be okay with Cloen. And then she was all D: and my heart broke a little. *pets Cloen*

Plus Ten is a dick, so I am not surprised that his dickishness distracted her.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LIRL.

[info]_thirty2flavors

March 9 2010, 21:28:04 UTC 2 years ago

Yeah, I'm sure it doesn't help ease the minds of the people who are convinced they'll be miserable. I admit that I kind of loved the bittersweetness of it because the whole Doctor/Rose plotline was bittersweet and I am a sucker for angst, but it is a little too bad we never got canon confirmation that they are happy.

If it makes you feel better, there was originally going to be a glimpse of them holding hands in Pete's World at the end of EOT2, and RTD has said a couple times that it's meant to be a happy ending, so obviously he agrees with us, lol.

[info]goldy_dollar

March 9 2010, 21:37:58 UTC 2 years ago

Aww, the chest fondle thing is really cute and not something I'd never noticed before! :D :D :D

I'm kind of with you on the ending. I mean I like Cloen/Rose and that universe, but my reaction at the time was very much "WHAT!!!" and not clapping-my-hands-in-delighted-shipper-joy. Actually, I pretty much spent two weeks in "WHAT?!!!" mode before finally sort of coming to terms with it... but, man, IDK, I sort of waver on things all the time and could probably still write pages of meta about the end of JE.

It would *definitely* be nice and reassuring to get a glimpse of Cloen and Rose living it up in the alt!verse and to be reminded that somewhere out there TEN IS STILL ALIVE :D and that they're busy being cute and hunting aliens and stopping to snog every once in a while. Maybe one day. A part of me also thinks it would be really cool if RTD wrote some like... spin-off novels about them, but I will not hold my breath. XD

[info]professor_spork

March 9 2010, 21:44:47 UTC 2 years ago

...that they're busy being cute and hunting aliens and stopping to snog every once in a while. Maybe one day.

I definitely read that "and stopping to snog every once in a while. Maybe once a day." And my head was immediately flooded with images of Rose having Terribly Important Torchwood Business to attend to and the Doctor having to write himself into her dayplanner to have alone time.

2:00 Meeting with Alpha Centauran ambassadors
2:30 Check-in with R&D SNOG DOCTOR
3:00 Pick Tony up from school

[info]goldy_dollar

March 9 2010, 21:48:16 UTC 2 years ago

AWWWWWWWWWWWW. Your version is cuter. :D

[info]principia_coh

March 16 2010, 02:08:48 UTC 2 years ago

They either needed to have it end with a smile (especially if everyone's meant to follow RTD's path to Happily Ever After for Rose and Ten II), or show the kiss we saw in the Confidential. I don't get the impression he meant for this ending to be at all ambiguous, but somehow not all of the audience got the same takeaway.
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